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Books I read when I deprogrammed

by OrphanCrow in

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blondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the jws.. i will start.. i left the jws way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.. one of the first books i read was "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses" by gary and heather botting.

canadian exjws from calagary.

an excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today.

The Rebel

Kate Wilde (Q)" Having an ex-member that was on the GB is a great resource. Do any of these other books have such valuable information ?

The Rebel ( A) Personally when I read C.O.C Ray did not emerge infallible in his thinking, and I felt with his beliefs in God he was still a mouse caught in a trap. My point is that my personal " crisis" involved more than the organisation being wrong, it involved my relationship with God and understanding the " Captive Mind" of the Jehovers Witness.

So I guess to answer your question it depends what sort of " valuable" information we are seeking, but the books I listed had more value to me.

The Rebel.

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Books I read when I deprogrammed

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

blondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the jws.. i will start.. i left the jws way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.. one of the first books i read was "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses" by gary and heather botting.

canadian exjws from calagary.

an excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today.

The Rebel

One of the books that helped me "deprogram" was Defying Hitler, by Sabastian Haffner, The book showed how Hitler by beginning in such small ways, turned a civilised, intelligent people in to a helpless, penned in flock of sheep . And this really bought home to me that all I was doing on the ministry was exploiting people's psychological weaknesses,

Another book The Captive Mind by Czeslaw Milosz gave a truthful account of a totalitarian culture equal to Orwells 1984 classic. From this book I learnt not to regret my time spent as a witness, but rather to learn from it, and be grateful I could now see the organisation for what it was. A man made totalitarian government pretending to be under the leadership of Jehover.

Havng left the Witness mindset I now admire people who spend there life's collecting stamps or growing tulips, they do less damage to the world than i ever did as a Jehovers Witnesses.

The Rebel.

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Is this a successful marriage ?

by The Rebel in

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a korean man named lee jin-gyr fell in love with a life sized pillow called a " darkimakura" .

the pillow has the image of a cartoon character named fate testarossa on it from an animated cartoon mahon shaojo.

the 28 year old man takes the pillow with him everywhere and they eventually married.. this is part of a growing subculture of men in japan who engage in relationships with pillows that have cartoon characters on them.

The Rebel

Saintbertholdt, enjoy your Thursday evening.

Some honest question for the married men on the forum:-

If you have a free evening, do you prefer to take out.

A) Your wife

B) Your secretary

C) A girl friend

D) Your " darkimakura"

If you answered b,c or d, when you take her out on that oh- so important first date, do you give her:-

A) Flowers

B) Chocolates

C) One

How many positions do you know:-

A) one

B) 69

C) 1 and 69.

Now for the results, if you answered anything other than A for question 1, I put it to you that you are nothing more than a discusting evil minded creep :-)

The Rebel

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Is this a successful marriage ?

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

a korean man named lee jin-gyr fell in love with a life sized pillow called a " darkimakura" .

the pillow has the image of a cartoon character named fate testarossa on it from an animated cartoon mahon shaojo.

the 28 year old man takes the pillow with him everywhere and they eventually married.. this is part of a growing subculture of men in japan who engage in relationships with pillows that have cartoon characters on them.

The Rebel

Bonsai "who am I to judge?

The Rebel. I agree. Glad we are out the judgemental J.W mindset.

This is why I am trying to view such marriages as not undermining but redeeming. However I can't help feeling personally I am glad I suffered the many rejections and loneliness of rejection and eventually found my wife.

I also believe in modern society most of us are vulnable, but this does not mean we should be viewed as weakened by flaws of character. For myself personally it was a challenge leaving the Witnesses and regaining a purpose in life and to raise myself from the feeling life was nothing more than a pointless existence, I look back on that self pity with shame now, I had a wife and a son I love through the whole experience.

The Rebel.

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Is this a successful marriage ?

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

a korean man named lee jin-gyr fell in love with a life sized pillow called a " darkimakura" .

the pillow has the image of a cartoon character named fate testarossa on it from an animated cartoon mahon shaojo.

the 28 year old man takes the pillow with him everywhere and they eventually married.. this is part of a growing subculture of men in japan who engage in relationships with pillows that have cartoon characters on them.

The Rebel

A Korean man named Lee Jin-gyr fell in love with a life sized pillow called a " darkimakura" . The pillow has the image of a cartoon character named Fate Testarossa on it from an animated cartoon Mahon Shaojo. The 28 year old man takes the pillow with him everywhere and they eventually married.

This is part of a growing subculture of men in Japan who engage in relationships with pillows that have cartoon characters on them. Whilst the above may appear absurd , even funny possibly it also takes a great deal of courage to fall in love with a " darkimakura" and it certainly offers an alternative view on masculinity. However in my opinion personally I find it sad that a person can give up on finding a real relationship. I am sure deep inside each persons soul we all want a real person.

To me a person should never feel so insecure nor should they be afraid of the risks and change, afraid of being hurt in attempting to find a partner who can offer the words " Anything you want to do, you'll do well" . Howevever I feel it wrong to laugh at a person marring a pillow, because whilst i view it as less than normal there is in my opinion nothing funny about fearing platonic and sexual rejection, and living a life subject to tears and loneliness.

What are your opinions on such marriages?

What can a person have in common with a pillow?

The Rebel.

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Proof the earth can be flat

by slimboyfat in

"our perception of reality has more to do with what is going on in here (our brain) than what's going on out there (in the world).".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g221y.

is it a dark square or a light square?

The Rebel

I Millie210 (Q) " So is this thread about perspective?

The Rebel (A) This is where I hope Slim, I and everyone agree:-

" The most important thing in communication is hearing what is said. The art of reading between the lines is a long quest of the wise" Shannon L Alder.

The Rebel.

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What are the biggest holes in evolution?

by shadow in

how honest are the proponents of evolution?

idk but curious to see what type of response there is on a topic like this or does their study only seek to confirm their preconceptions and ignore uncomfortable facts?

The Rebel

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Shadow (Q )" What are the biggest holes in evolution?

The Rebel, a poster on a previous thread made this observation " evolution is just a theory". But In my opinion " The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection" is the best explanation for my existence.

Anyway tthe " O.P" "What are the biggest holes in evolution? is an important question, and I guess a theory is not a fact. However I also believe this theory has been tested and scrutinised for over 150 years, and is supported by all relevant observations. However a theory is never promoted to a law and some may argue God has provided the Bible to understand his factual account of creation and " Darwins theory of evolution" is just an attempt to undermine those facts.

Therefore I believe for many Christians one of the " biggest holes in evolution" is the bible and its creation account . I belive these are the reasons many Christians refuse to accept the theoris of science and scientists who reveal condtadictory truths.

So in conclusion " The theory of evolution" owes its existence to the unflinching hard work of dedicated and often courageous scientists. But in my opinion some may still doubt those findings,or the accuracy of their testimony, even when they come with impeccable references. For example many a Christian would say God and the bible are the only impeccable reference.

Slimboyfat (Q) " Has anybody asked a dolphin his view of the world?

The Rebel.

1. Why do you ask?

2. Is the Dolphins view of the world supported by science?

The Rebel.

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Proof the earth can be flat

by slimboyfat in

"our perception of reality has more to do with what is going on in here (our brain) than what's going on out there (in the world).".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g221y.

is it a dark square or a light square?

The Rebel

Slimboyfat " Proof the earth can be flat"

The Rebel. It says a lot about Slimboyfat, that he has attempted to support his opinions calmly and I apologise if my last post appeared a little insulting.

I do however find this thread fascinating partly because :-

A) as a former Jehovers Witness I am now angered and trying to understand my former stupidity and ignorance, and inability to not understand I was talking and believed utter noncence.

B) there is a growing social moverment that seem to believe the earth is flat.

Anyway my witness exsperience has taught me to try and think for myself and my conclusion is:-.

1) If the earth is flat I would have assumed we would have been able to have reached the edge?

2) Whilst I don't believe the earth is flat, I must confess I have not given thought to it being upside down, or maybe its simply inside out, so please look out for my new O.P "proof the earth is upside down, and inside out" :-)

The Rebel.

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Proof the earth can be flat

by slimboyfat in

"our perception of reality has more to do with what is going on in here (our brain) than what's going on out there (in the world).".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g221y.

is it a dark square or a light square?

The Rebel

Stan livedeath interesting reply.

The Rebel (A) I believe the fact is most of us are Watsons and don't smoke a pipe and play a violin (lol) nor do most of us come to these Sherlock Holmes conclusions " When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth.

So, ok let's get real to the facts. I believe most of us can be Watson and cry " Excellent" to such noncence whilst those that we follow say " Elementary".

So here is some more Sherlock Holmes " It is a capital mistake to theorise in advance of the facts and the insensible one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts"

In this case do we like Watson say " Excellent" or do we go further and search for proof these facts presented by Sherlock are really facts.

The Rebel.

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Proof the earth can be flat

by slimboyfat in

"our perception of reality has more to do with what is going on in here (our brain) than what's going on out there (in the world).".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g221y.

is it a dark square or a light square?

The Rebel

LoveUnHateExams " Not this crap again"

Thr Rebel:- LOL , but at least Slimboyfat is sincere and presents reasons why we should believe his point of view. My questions are therefore directed at Slim:-

A) Do you honestly expect people to belive " The Earth is Flat?

B) "Do you know where babies come from?

Slim my above questions are not cynicle, just trying to understand your sincere point of view and I believe :-

A) if you are sure you know where babies come from then you should be equally sure the earth is not flat.

B) If you can offer proof the earth is flat then you are one of the world greatest minds.

C) Assuming you are one of the worlds greatest minds, I think until you can offer conclusive proof the earth is flat, your thoughts are best shared over a drink than by playing ping pong with such thoughts on an ex J.W discussion forum.

Anyway in conclusion I believe I am over my J.W exsperience and the only reason I remain a member of this forum is that it has so many interesting thinkers, and decent human beings. Slim you fit into both those categories.

The Rebel.